plus ça reste la même chose?
Or is there some hope of mellowing in one’s old age? Previously, was I just being harsh, and in error in thinking I was being harsh but fair, being cruel (and overly “fruity”) to be kind? See other posts in the EWG category, and other MakeupAlley interactions reported therein.
OK, on the other hand, I still persist in thinking that adult humans should bear and take responsibility for their actions. If you’re old enough and deemed to have the mental competence to have a credit card, to go to war and kill people, to drive a car and risk killing people: then there is no reason (or excuse) for not taking responsibility for informing and educating yourself. Not just on makeup and skincare; but on all manner of things in life, and their implications and consequences and associations. And makeup and skincare and suchlike there too, and all manner of other things that might individually seem small, petty, and trivial (hence “nuttiness”) but that add up together and are integral parts of (what ought to be) a coherent consistent whole that is life (or, to finish up that analogy, that whole, wholegrain, wholesome fruit+nut bar).
So: living ethically.
But there’s also being, ethically.
An ethical obligation towards kindness. Being charitable. Giving the benefit of the doubt, putting oneself in someone else’s shoes (however hard that might be), exercising tolerance, thinking of others. Loving one’s fellow-man (and beast, and plant, and rock—even trolls!).
A conversation today:
What are your thoughts on goodguide [GoodGuide: Green, Healthy, & Safe Product Ratings and Reviews] and the EWG CosDA [Environmental Working Group: Skin Deep Cosmetic Safety Database]?
I’ve been consulting both and tend to trust EWG a bit more instinctually. I’ve seen comments from others who are distrustful – why? I understand that there are plenty of scientific unknowns but it seems transparent in telling you what it’s basing its rating on.
But I’m totally intrigued by the potential of goodguide now that it’s an app and you can just scan all kinds of things as you’re shopping. It seems like it could quite possibly give boycotting real teeth as it requires minimal effort on the part of consumers just to scan things. Also highlights three areas, thus gently urging consideration of all three (health, environment, social impact). This is asssuming they keep adding lots more products, but they do have lots already.
well, it’s a start; for other resources to combine into decision-making, see my notepad
Thanks for the links. I’d be interested to know your reasons for preferring those over the two I mentioned. Probably too many to list but I’d be interested to know what you think the drawbacks are to those two. Untrustworthy? Very faulty science?
basically, yes: fear-mongerers who prey on the ignorant and, especially in the US, on people who have little to no scientific education; and who look for one single source for information & guidance, and want someone to trust.
– misreading and misreporting of research
– misrepresentation: vested financial interests disguised as purity & independence
I’ve written more about this elsewhere (here & off-MUA); would encourage instead *true* independence: of individual mind. This is 2012, not only do we have public libraries & public university libraries (while they still exist), but the whole Internet too. So do your own research, educate yourself, don’t take things on trust or belief.
But: those two are still a useful start. And the EWG can be a good place for getting journal references. not just to see how badly they’ve been misread by the EWG and in the popular press, but to track down those primary information and data sources.
Thanks for the reply. I do admit I want a resource I can (mostly) trust as it seems to take plenty of time just to use two. Well, maybe after I’ve switched over to safer products it won’t take as much time. And again I’m intrigued by the power of the many in this field, though maybe power always goes along with some dangers…. Anyway, just my thoughts, thanks again for yours.
yvw: sorry not to be more use. I’m afraid I’m more inclined towards scepticism than trust/belief/faith when it comes to this sort of (scientific, argumentative/reasoning, factual) stuff. And more into “knowledge is power: so empower yourself” than “power is knowledge: so bow down to, fear, or resist Them.”
But: I’m a professional nerd. My job involves research. I do a lot of it, and outside work too, so I’m used to it and to doing it fast and I enjoy it. I know there are lots of people out there–probably the massive majority–who aren’t as nerdy. I totally understand how someone who’s not in my situation would find that research (and the research-behind-the-research of educating yourself) takes way too much time and effort and is basically a drag.
And of course you’re welcome to your thoughts, and good luck with the “safer” products!
Here’s a compromise: use and abuse MUA. If you find a product that seems like a good idea (and that the Goodguide and EWG approve of), check out the MUA product reviews, do board searches, and ask on the boards–here or any other relevant board, like the Skincare one–about specific products. Ex. “I’m looking for a new cleanser and I found this one, what do you all think?”
Using MUA will give you a multitude of reviews, views, opinions, and thoughts; plus comments, criticism, and interpretation of what others (ex. the EWG) have said about a certain product and research behind it; plus comments etc. reading the actual journal articles and other scientific data involved.
Essentially, treat MUA as a central summarizing and syndication tool. I admit I’ve been doing that for years (probably about 10, when I include the years of lurking), and I’d still consider MUA as one of my main resources for obtaining research references in lots of things, like sunscreen.
Hope some of that helps… and otherwise, good luck and happy hunting!
O (to whom I leave the last word, for there are wise words here):
Thanks, that makes sense. I have just started using the boards and so far it’s going well 🙂 I also find the reviews useful so I don’t buy junk that doesn’t work.
P.S. It’s not that I think power is knowledge. I think power (and lots of people making similar purchasing choices is power) can force change, which I believe is much needed in the field, whether through regulation changes or changing company practices to meet demand.
P.P.S I also wonder about MUA getting powerful…but from what I’ve seen so far it’s pretty genuine, just people who like this stuff.