some open questions

Can you get more granola than oaty goodness? Here’s some unresolved issues, points of curiosity, and a nice case of abusive (a.k.a. completely normal and socially acceptable) social networking.

1: Is A-Derma’s cleansing bar unique?

I love the stuff, but I’m open to alternatives. But they must be true substitutes, and as good or better, for the same price or less. “Better” would include being entirely plant- or synthesized-ingredient based, so long as that proved more environmentally sound (inc. energy consumption in production) and at least as ethically sourced.

Here’s the original question, which remains unresolved:

gingerrama 12/19/2011 3:29PM
tough one: has anyone found an oat-based cleansing bar that
1. is cruelty-free
2. costs under CAD 8.00 (or: USD5.00 or less, given I’d have to add shipping) for 100g / 3.5 oz
3. pH neutral to slightly acidic
4. doesn’t contain:
– fragrance, inc ANY essential oils, no matter how aromatherapeutic; except chamomile, calendula, rose (these have been OK on face)
– sodium tallowate
– (sodium lauryl sulfate–hardly ever in bar cleansers, but sometimes seen; reason=eczema)
– cocoa butter, coconut oil (derivatives like cocoates fine)
5. does contain the following things:
– oat extract or flour (but not whole oats or other scrubby bits)
– oils, fatty acids, other emollients: current one has sweet almond, also like shea in cleansers. Coconut and olive derivatives fine (avoiding palm ones unless known to be ethically OK)

I’m looking around to see if there are any cheaper alternatives to the A-Derma cleansing bar, as my DH has been using it too and it’s being used up at an amazing rate. Research so far has found nothing as good, let alone better… so I’m throwing the question out to you guys!

Aveeno not an option (not cruelty-free); Hugo neither (scrubby bits); others I’ve seen have EOs added (or some other undesirable).

I don’t care about the packaging, or whether it’s marketed as being for face or body or both.

Any ideas?

MRSLE 12/19/2011 3:39PM
What do you think of this? Grandpa’s Old-Fashioned Oatmeal Soap

ginger 12/19/2011 5:23PM
thank you for the idea, and for your help!
nice idea but:
rolled oats = exfoliating (don’t want)
“essence oil of oatmeal” = doesn’t exist / not in INCI anyway

[Ed. OFFS.]

kit 12/20/2011 5:55PM
Nature’s gate has an oatmeal cleansing bar it does contain a palm derivative, don’t know they source it. Also calendula extract.

slob 1712/21/2011 1:16PM
The description describes it as soap, so I would guess the pH is high. Other than that it looks nice

[Ed. I love Green Board dearly, and they’re all heart, but: see point 5 in original question and reply to previous suggestion… and that comment on soap is pure nonsense.]

wombat 12/21/2011 5:20PM
If Aveeno were cruelty-free, would that bar meet your needs? I know CVS’s generic brand is cruelty-free, so I’m wondering if Rexall or Life brands are?

ginger 12/23/2011 11:00PM
yes, but I refuse to buy Aveeno; Rexall & Life are cruelty-free, but don’t TTBOMK make a dupe 😦

[Ed. Same point again: READING SKILLZ PEEPS.]

ginger 12/23/2011 10:57PM
thank you very much! I’m grateful, your help was much appreciated even though it looks like, for the time being, I’m stuck with A-Derma. Which isn’t too bad, really! At least bars like that exist at all!!
If any of you are indie / Etsy sellers, or known people who are: making my dream bar could be a really really good idea… I’m sure there’s a fair number of green-granola eczematic flaky fragile types out there 🙂

elfy 12/24/2011 3:43PM
pbi – I was going to say, I am sure I’ve seen that type of thing sold in town… .But it will probably be a handcrafted oatmeal hippie nonsense type bar.. But I’ll keep my eye out for you! 🙂
Mind you, a handcrafted bar will probably not be that inexpensive. 😛

[Ed. Here lies my main hope: Elfy’s smart, sensible, observant, and has tha readin’ skillz.]

For the record: here are the ingredients for A-Derma’s cleansing bar, what I love but which doesn’t make me averse to playing the field and maybe even straying:

Disodium Lauryl Sulfosuccinate, Corn Starch (Zea Mays), Sodium Cocoyl Isethionate, Oat Flavour (Avena Sativa), Aqua, Paraffin, Cetearyl Alcohol, Stearic Acid, Ceteareth-6, Sweet Almond Oil (Prunus Dulcis), PEG-45 Palm Kernel Glycerides, Titanium Dioxide

2. Has anyone used oat milk (the more minimalist sort, without rapeseed/colza oil in it) as a cleanser?

I had a brainwave, and will bravely experiment on myself to see how it goes. Given that I’ve got oat milk in the fridge anyway, and if I can’t use it on my face, heck I’ll b using the stuff up for its primary intended function anyway.

Context of question:

MRSLE 12/28/2011 6:49PM
Update. I went to my facialist today for my super irritated skin and she suggested washing with just oatmeal. Has anyone done this before? How did you do this? What’s the routine? The rest of my skincare is very simple.[…]

mm 12/28/2011 6:55PM
i did this for a while and it worked great but i stopped cause i got lazy.. u just take a handful of oatmeal (finely ground oatmeal is easiest to work with) and rub it onto your rinsed face and then rinse off… it works nicely but it is a lot of work…(for me..but like i said im lazy..)
Yes. I didn’t do it long enough to see any real results, but +Insidia12/28/2011 6:56PMit certainly wasn’t irritating. Bubzbeauty has a YT video on it. Basically you take a handful of plain oats, mix it with warm water into a paste, and wash your face with it. The only issue I had was oats making their way into the drain. -_-

MRSLE 12/28/2011 7:02PM
How do you deal with oat powder not getting into the drains? I have no other options right now.

research 12/28/2011 7:07PM
just lay a strainer with w a paper towel inside (if the strainer holes are too big) over the drain of your sink

ginger 12/28/2011 7:08-09PM
not an issue IME with fine-ground + regular drain cleaning (vinegar, soda)
2nd @research: very sensible!

research 12/28/2011 8:05PM
;)…i may actually do this tonight too. skin is raw from a sulfur sensitivity rash. lovely.

ginger 2/28/2011 7:04PM
yes, done the oatmeal thing (eczema); suggestions on howPlain oatmeal: use as fine a grain as possible: not whole oats, but something like oat flour. Some options:

1. Adapt the baby bath technique (I had this used on me when an infant, still do it sometimes now): this also works with larger oats (rolled oats, porrage oats, oatmeal, the kind for making hot oats/porridge or granola. Can be used with a washbasin/sink.
Place oats in an old sock. Tie it over the taps.
Place plug in bath/sink. Fill sink with water: tepid, neither hot nor cold, below body temperature. The water will be milky. Wash self with it. If your skin’s really sensitive/delicate: just use your hands to splash on the oaty water.

2. As above, but use a washcloth/face cloth/flannel too.

3. Pour oats (fine oatmeal, oat flour) into hand. Add some water. Mix (using other hand) to a light paste–about the texture of wallpaper paste, slightly gel-like. Apply to face. If it’s too thick, add more water, remix, reapply. If it’s too thin, add more oats, remix, reapply. You can then either massage it around (gently!) or leave it on as a mask until it dries, then rinse off. With or without washcloth. As before, though: with tepid water.

4. There’s also oatmeal-based cleansers around. I like A-Derma (their cleansing bar), there’s also Aveeno: cleansing bar–often in bath rather than face aisle–and the unscented body wash–in the bath aisle. Not their soy face stuff. (Aveeno’s good, I just don’t use their stuff for irrelevant ethical reasons)

abby 12/28/2011 7:10PM
Post by Stuart on oatmeal: The Alabu Skin Care Blog, “6 Reasons Why People Use Oatmeal In Soap”

ginger 12/28/2011 8:58PM
oooh!!! idea: oat milk? the edible/drinkable kind (lives near soy milk etc.); I’ll experiment =D

3. How far can the use and abuse of social networking, and its abuse of consumers, go?

Legal. Socially acceptable. Professionally fine. Normal behaviour.

Ethical?

No way José.

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