This post is metaphorically related to dealing with sensitive skin; though mainly about the good mej5s having a new blog.
UPDATE: and he’s back, under a new name 🙂
In my experience, one should be reasonable. One should know one’s skin and its limitations. One shouldn’t demand the impossible from it. Nor, indeed, from a beautification product. Knowing all these things, and putting together recorded experience with theoretical savvy, one can make reasonable guesses as to what will and won’t work. But sometimes skin reacts. Over-reacts. Is irritated. Will not calm down. Then one has to try what’s worked before–being reasonable, again. But sometimes things are so dire that one has to go for over-the-top measures, because the alternative is losing one’s merry marbles and doing something really silly. In skin terms, that would be losing one’s healthy scepticism and joining a cult. Buying products from one of those derm-lines flaunting the academic credentials of the head honcho (ad auctoritatem fallacy. I abhor it. A last recourse of the weak and pointless. By which I mean, someone who has no point and no argument, indeed not even a weak one.)
Like jump into a cold bath. And, probably, have a nice cool drink.
Sometimes MakeupAlley can go a bit far.
Raised hackles, bad moods, lousy days at work, lousy days of continuing lack of work, favourite products dissed, opinions and views ridiculed, spending silly money on silly things causes hilarity, believing idiocies is rightly condemned, honesty and forthrightness in the wrong place at the wrong time, vendettas start, vendettas continue. People don’t always like hearing the truth, especially when it’s not what they were convinced it was. They don’t like being wrong, and proven wrong, and worse still proven silly, when they were sure they were right.
Don’t get me wrong. Calling a spade a spade: good. A rose is always a rose, and by any other name smells as sweet or foul, no matter what the price-tag or pretty packaging or marketing BS (or whether or not it’s got a named MD, PhD attached to it). Truth is truth.
And, reminding everyone again, BELIEF ≠ FEELING ≠ OPINION ≠ ARGUMENT ≠ FACT. I say this as a card-carrying feminist. Epistemology and logic are absolute and transcend all borders and confines of gender, race, class, geographical location, language, culture, historical period. That’s the whole point: to have some way of thinking that is fundamentally human, and free of all such constraints and externally-imposed limitations.
On the other hand: without even getting into white lies, there are ways and means of tempering matters, of couching the substance of what one’s saying in YMMV, up to you, with all possible due [and, indeed, undue] respect, etc., etc. And I’ve been as guilty as anyone of just about managing to edit an “OFFS” into “well, no.” I’ve been learning that sometimes one should just not respond to a board query (especially a repeated question: some examples of Things That Make Me Go “Hmmm” at end of post)
But: sometimes it all gets too much. Ice-baths and massive doses of antihistamines, washed down with mint juleps (see MUA Skin Care Board: this is a historical in-joke…), just don’t do the job anymore.
My good MUA friend mej5s reached that point. Back in one of my homelands, that state of being is called “at the end of your tether.” He left. There had been extra drama–on board, off-board in private messages, on other boards off MUA–and what he’s saved of those, errm, exchanges might be resulting in legal action to the heinous Other Bad People. So I’m not saying any more. Not really my place to do so, anyway.
But: he’ll be missed on both the Green and Skin Care Boards. I might be cheeky and check in with him from time to time and act as discreet mouthpiece when appropriate. Maybe it’s time to set up another MUA persona, called The Voice Of Reason, a mask that would be shared by–well, my good self for starters, and maybe whoever else (mej5s for one) deemed sufficiently Vocal and Rational to be worthy? Maybe we need a more superhero-ish name? After all, this is a particularly fine summer for superhero-movies. Though they do all have such frighteningly perfect skin… sigh… and better still, infinite powers of self-healing and regeneration …
The good news is:
Some of mej5s’s greatest hits are filed in my MUA “favourites” in
common sense, reason, science, anti-nonsense, mythbusting, and some ethical conundrums (errm, this looks like a bit of a mej5s shrine already…)
Here is one of my favouritest amongst these favourites, mej5s in full swing at his finest and fieriest. For more, start following the blog…
POLL: What type of questions & posts do you dislike on this board? ashley92504 6/14/2011 4:49PM
being relatively new on this board, i am curious to find out what are the “annoying” or ignored posts that aren´t welcomed /liked .
& sorry if this is one of those questions 😉
Posting a ?? about a product nobody ever heard about and disapearing without any giving any ++ icaria 6/14/2011 7:45PM
explanations about it.
Annoyance: People who type five cryptic words and expect in-depth answers
2) Does this cause acne? INGREDIENTS: Isopropyl Myristate, Isopropyl Palmitate, Dihydrogen Monoxide, Ethanol, Asbestos
Annoyance: the packaging of a product or its brand assist us in evaluating as certain brands and packaging types have strong implications on product functionality
3) pe0plE wh0 tyPe lyke 1ll1t3rate sk8R trAsh…r0xorz Avril
4) People who are clearly shilling a product by recommending an obscure bizarre product over and over out of the blue “SuperBabyYoga MommyBootyFuntime Kids N Family Sunscreen SPF 45 TOTALLY healed my acne, cured my grandma’s multiple myeloma, and helped me become a follower of Christ!!!”
5) People who believe the marketing claims made by L’Oreal or P&G or any brand without some suspicion “NUN UH YOU ARE WRONG YOUTH CODE IS THE FUTURE AND AMAZING L’OREAL IS A BIG COMPANY BIG COMPANIES ARE NEVER WRONG!” …umm thalidomide, vioxx much?
6) People who are not thankful for the advice they are given and people who take take take but never contribute back to the community because after all this is a community and you are expected to give and share as much as you ask and take.
or, what is the best moisturizer that won’t break me out? jetfan 6/14/2011 6:18PM
I hate, HATE deleters. Post a question and leave it so others can benefit from the responses jetfan 6/14/2011 6:05PM
AND certain picture posters. Same pictures over and over with great skin saying how awful and terrible it is. Enough already:( Just fishing IMO.
One more. The posters that want instant gratification. ie: How can I clear my skin………(1 minutes passes) ANYONE?Then repost the same question every 3-5 minutes, then go complain on the cafe that “we” ignored the question.
I’m annoyed when I answer a post, specifically 1 w/ little or no other replies & the OP doesn’t boezoe 6/14/2011 6:03PM
acknowledge my response. I never know if they even read it. When I post I try 2 at least say thnx.
I think there’s no wrong questions. If someone thinks it’s a stupid question, you’re not obligated + requisite 6/14/2011 5:20PM
To answer it.
Yes. And re ss stability. Is it that hard to write yes/no? It’s like people expect everyone to know+ requisite 6/14/2011 5:32PM
everything. If we all knew everything, there wouldn’t be a sc board. We were all newbies at sc at one point right? And I bet if all the sc experts were to go on a astronaut board or something and ask a question, they would think it was a stupid question. Just something to think about.
It’s supposed to be a fun board where we can share product recs and experiences. Not be afraid to post because someone might think it’s a stupid question
Needy people who post & repost because they’re not satisfied with the answers they get ++ icaria 6/14/2011 5:18PM
as if this was a customer service dept.
5. and idiocy in general: mej5s covered this well recently++ gingerrama 6/14/2011 5:14PM
I dislike it when people make an error and post on the wrong board and before they can fix it retrorunway 6/14/2011 5:04PM
they get blown away with post of what they are doing wrong. What is it the post police? lmao sorry, but it is true
Listing ingredients and not telling us what the product is. skincarekev 6/14/2011 5:03PM
Coming on here asking about tanning is like +++ mej5s 6/14/2011 6:50PM
someone going on to a new or expectant mothers’ forum and talking about how they cannot wait to get an abortion (I have nothing against either for the record) —- we are here to prevent damage and take care of our skin…asking tanning advice implies that the knowledge and precepts of this forum are all for naught and that we should simply throw away caution for the sake of a false idea of beauty
Understand that the cafe thinks it’s comical to ask over here just to see the responses+ jetfan 6/14/2011 6:09PM
then go back to the cafe and laugh at the skincare board.
*goodbuyekids*!!! ROFL I DO remember that one :))) icaria 6/14/2011 6:47PM
There is a lot of passion re: tanning, partly because to people w/ skin cancer experiences + elf_107 6/14/2011 5:29PM
asking about the best way to tan is akin to asking how to better load a gun and point it to one’s one head… 😛 (Granted I’m exaggerating a bit, but for someone who’s seen the dark side of tanning it is about that scary.)
In less dramatic terms though, one would expect a spirited response if one asked a health care forum how to better get high or go on drinking binges! The mandate is opposite. I realize the skin care forum is for both skin health and beauty aesthetics… And some people will find tanning attractive. Where health is concerned however I think the science is clear…
Some might even go as far as saying that healthy skin = beautiful skin! 😀
I don’t think they are? People just don’t recommend it. Eskapist 6/14/2011 5:07PM
? I don’t get this. Below, you say it’s terrible that people ask about >> honeywell66 6/14/2011 5:04PM
sunscreen stability, and you question how hard is it to know that avo and octinoxate are a bad combo. I personally wonder how hard it is to know tanning is bad for the skin. I think it no es bueno to ask a skinCARE board how to get a deep,dark tan.
1 group gets the information kindly explained to them, the other gets yelled at in a really mean way BarbaraJRice 6/14/2011 5:07PM
See the difference now?
SS stability is rarely discussed in magazines and other media. We’vebeen hearing that tanning is > honeywell66 6/14/2011 5:10PM
Bad for years and years. Stability factors also go beyond those two ingredients. It’s pretty complex to a person completely new to skincare.
So true and I had shingles and was home sick once accidently had caps on and before I could change retrorunway 6/14/2011 5:09PM
that my email and post was blown up! Seriously, how many people have dies in the war but this is end of the world.
I think it’s terrible that ppl ask just about everyday whether this or that rop BarbaraJRice 6/14/2011 4:52PM
sunscreen is stable. I mean, how hard can it be to learn that avobenzone and octinoxate together no es bueno?
I get confused. There are so many SS filters that start with “O” that I can’t keep them straight.++ samanthadread 6/14/2011 7:39PM
and depending on the information you read, avo needs a certain filter to actually stabilize it (but this isn’t referenced everywhere I see talk of stability, just sometimes). It is actually confusing and frustrating, and I can see how many people would rather ask and get an answer from someone who can remember all this, than *think* they’ve got it right, and end up with a sunburn.
I get that. But how hard is it to answer a simple yes or no? + requisite 6/14/2011 5:11PM
Not everyone knows about avo when they ask.
On which happy note: